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Poster: stratocaster Date: Feb 6, 2013 2:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monster Morning Dew!

09-11-1981 falls into the massive "what might have been" dump box of the Dead...for those who were there, Dew is about as good as it gets and I'm sure this version hit the spot...the first jam is fiery, although not really any more so than some of the premier early 80s versions (i.e. 04-06-82, 09-17-1982, 06-18-1983), the ending gets a mangled by good old Jer'...

the 88 version is good, 87 and 89 were honestly better years for the tune, particularly 09-18-1987, which is probably one of the sloppiest versions of anything by the Dead that I would still rank high, 12-30-1987 is outstanding and has a ridiculous middle solo...06-21-1989 and 07-19-1989 are both better than anything in 88

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Feb 6, 2013 5:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monster Morning Dew!

http://archive.org/details/gd1980-09-02.sbd.miller.tetzeli.patch-28299.34940.reflac.flac16 ...this one is cream of the crop for early 80s!!

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Poster: sakanaband Date: Feb 7, 2013 11:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monster Morning Dew!

Oh sure, by far the best from the era! Pretty much perfect. Especially astounding considering its relative infrequency at the time.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Feb 6, 2013 2:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monster Morning Dew!

Those are great as well.
We all experience the band through unique eyes and ears.
I gotta say, though, you have some pretty high standards.
Over the years I saw and heard Jerry, and the rest of 'em, really mangle plenty of tunes and it could get downright ugly.
I would classify his coming in a half beat or so early on the final vocals at the end of the jam of that Greek version as more of a slight hiccup than a mangling. To me it just showed the human imperfection of a heavenly version.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Feb 6, 2013 3:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monster Morning Dew!

first off, shame that these Greeks from 81 don't have boards, these brittle clap heavy auds suck...I checked out the ending again and Garcia blows the timing, maybe not so much "mangled"...

I guess I'm always on the quest for the next best version to be uncovered...my standards for the dead aren't in finding perfection per say, if I were to list the best versions of their catalogue, these versions almost all have flaws, like a diamond, but versions that are badly flubbed or filled with clams can't be taken seriously from a musical standpoint, perhaps from a romantic one...

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Feb 6, 2013 4:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monster Morning Dew!

Hey, you know, one man's (woman's) favorite show is the next one's trainwreck.
Often people love the shows they were at because they can recall the experiences and emotions that they had.
I'm as guilty as the next. More often than not, when I reach for a show, it's one that I was at. I just seem to enjoy them more.

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Poster: N Hoey Date: Feb 6, 2013 5:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monster Morning Dew!

"shame that these Greeks from 81 don't have board"

Ok, but sdbds are not always great just because they are sdbds. Especially early 80s ones done on cassette. They can be thick, heavy, and dry, with so so mixes that often emphasize the wrong aspect of the performance.

"these brittle clap heavy auds suck"

First, you're entitled to your opinion but no need to be fucking rude about it. You are the first person I've heard say that about these auds from the Greek. Frankly I TOTALLY disagree. Did you really listen? I'm biased because I taped these shows and my old transfer of my master is here:
http://archive.org/details/gd1981-09-11.nak300.unknown.31791.sbeok.flac16

Listen through those flacs on a good system. They're DFC-FOBs, Security was very tight and serious stealth was essential. The crowd was packed in that zone pretty tight too. But in that zone at the Greek the sound was fantastic, One of the best venues for taping auds ever. So there's some clapping at the end of songs or at high points, so what?! That's typical of FOB auds. 95+% of the music is loud and clear. We were getting lots off the stage there, and Jerry's guitar is front and center and he is in fine form. IMO 81 into '82 are the last truly good years for Jerry. Besides not being obese yet, he was still able to physically perform up to his best ability, which especially included singing. Later his voice really declined.

Even though I'm not a totally objective commentator, I carefully reviewed the available sources and found the mine and the anon-poris-severson are the best. Iwas right next to those guys but they used 700s and I think the 300s I used got better bass.

I just recently put a new and better 24 bit version of mine into circulation at LL, so it should appear here any time now. I think it sounds fantastic for an audience tape and feel it would easily rival any but the best of sdbds (if there were any of this show) as a listening experience.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Feb 6, 2013 6:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monster Morning Dew!

first off thank you for recording this and any other Grateful Dead show. That being said, my assessment is more reflective of the bands stage sound and speaker mix...I went back and checked out random tracks and they still sound tinny and sharp...no warmth...I'm sorry, just my take..it's more how Healy is producing their sound., your levels and actual archival recording of this event was well done...but you were there , so I will defer on how they sounded from the stage live that night, probably pretty damn good..

.I agree on SBDs, but the good ones are gems, as are the best AUDs,
As I wrote on here months ago, I started a 1981 total year in review that I've been logging on a spreadsheet and documenting...checking out both sources, the best of 1981 aud is 05-01, if you did that one, outstanding,,,

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Poster: N Hoey Date: Feb 6, 2013 7:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monster Morning Dew!

Well, "clap heavy" isn't exactly a stage or PA descriptive term, AFAIK. ;-) Allow me to suggest describing the mix as being on the "lean" side. It's not only more diplomatic but it's a more accurate term IMO. To a certain extent, best results are playback system dependent, there is bass there, but it takes a full range system to make the most of it.

I took a listen to the Wagner MOTB version of 5/1 and it is certainly excellent, but I would point out that it has been significantly "enhanced" by DSP software. Tools such as the Nomad Factory AMT Multi MAx are pretty powerful and so to make comparisons to recordings not similarly processed isn't really comparing apples to apples.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Feb 6, 2013 8:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monster Morning Dew!

"Lean" is a very good way of putting it...this sound carries over into the next night...no offense towards your recordings, the lack of depth and bass has the dubious effect of showcasing the wild clapping and vocal stylings of the stoned rainbows next to your mic...

I can understand a purist point of view with the digital enhancement that is available...I would consider that remastering in a way...carrying on with 1981, I'm picking the best sounding sources through the archive year in review, not really comparing the sources to each other, it's taking me long enough as it is.....certainly 05-01 has benefitted and would wonder if you've considered this software for your recordings...the boost sounds good to me, unless there is loss of dynamic range due to compression to make it louder...


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Poster: N Hoey Date: Feb 6, 2013 10:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monster Morning Dew!

I did take note of the less proximate nature of the crowd sounds in the 5/1. It's very similar in the Wise source also. I'm guessing they were pretty much in the same spot. I haven't been to that venue so I'm not familiar with the layout. In 1981 taping was not allowed, there was no taping section. Enforcement certainly had to vary at venues around the country ( I only taped in the Bay Area), but FOB mic stands almost certainly were rarely possible, if at all. So either these guys were able to assemble a sizable FOB "cone of silence" zone or there was well situated riser, balcony or some feature that distanced them from a typical GA floor crowd while at the same time positioning them well into the "near field" acoustic space. Usually that was possible in classic 2000 seat theaters with fairly close balconies, but not in arenas.

Then again, a select few may have been allowed to to set up stands by the board, but that usually isn't close enough to get such presence in an arena.

I'm not against digital enhancement outright, although I am a purist. It's just that very few amateurs have high enough quality software, due the expense of the really pro stuff and of those that do, few are reasonably skilled at using it and fewer still are truly masterful with it.

A final thought, recorded sound quality is one thing and performance quality is another. Hopefully they coincide, frequently! Sometimes a fantastic recording of an average show can lead one to over rate it, just as a poor recording of a great show can make it difficult to appreciate the greatness that's there..

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